TeamSpeex Open Beta
Good news everyone, TeamSpeex is now downloadable for public testing!
The icon you see here on the left is made by Aakash Soneri and is set as TeamSpeex’s application icon with his permission.
I hope you all like the icon, I certainly do, and it beats the hell out of the standard application icon, so thank you Aakash! 
Make sure you visit Aakash’ DeviantArt page to see all of his deviations. 
Now, about the beta, as noted in the previous blog post, it is very barebone. Alot of things are not implemented yet and there is alot of room for improvement and optimizations. But you can expect all the basic functionality.
So go over to the downloads page and get your self a copy to join the open beta.
Other small bugs which I couldnt fix in time was proper support for servers with the type set as ‘public server’, which I found out that it will only show the users in your current channel and not the others. It introduced a few new packet types which I have not identified yet. I had also some reports that a large channel-list will result in unexpected “features”.
So this beta will probably work best on small private servers and not large public ones, and ofcourse the server must have the Speex voice codec enabled.
Last minute additions to this beta were support for Unicode characters, button to open the sound preferences directly from TeamSpeex’s preferences and changed NSDateFormatter to NSCalenderDate, which might enable support for the older OS X versions.
So if you are using Jaguar (10.2.x) or Panther (10.3.x), and it doesnt work, i’d like to hear about it, just make sure you provide some useful info if you can. (Console.app might give alot of info on why it doesnt work).
And ofcourse post any bugs you find and any feedback (good or bad) I can use is always welcome.
I’d like to thank all the testers that participated in the private beta test, you were all very helpful.
PS: This page was ready to be published and was setting up the download page until I got hit with a DDoS 
October 17th, 2005 at 00:26
So is it for 10.3.9 too?? because I downloaded it and it is not connecting to any servers im very confused right now..
October 17th, 2005 at 00:28
Sorry for the inconvience guys, looks like i was getting DDoS’ed or I was getting alot of requests
Alot of requests were ip’s that were non resolvable and were like a dozen of requests after each other :grr:
anyhow, I got 65 mb long log to analyze.. :yawn:
I’m not sure manofsteel, if its not connecting then i guess not, but i’ll make sure it will be 10.3.x compatible in the next build.
October 17th, 2005 at 00:35
Works nicely on a small private server as soon as I had understand I had to push Fn to talk :blush:
As an improvement, maybe you could display “Press key X to talk” in the status bar while idling?
Thank you very much for your nice work
October 17th, 2005 at 00:36
I’m on 10.3.9 and having the same problems as manofsteel. I defnitely think there should be 10.3+ compatability if there isn’t because many (such as myself) are waitng to get Tiger so that some of its bugs are worked out. Hopefully though this is something that is an easy fix.
October 17th, 2005 at 00:39
Oops, forgot to mention that I’m running TeamSpeex under Tiger :secret:
October 17th, 2005 at 00:39
Can you 10.3.9 users provide me some useful info, is the app launching, or just not connecting? I’m sorry that this initial beta is not working for you guys
If I had another Mac machine I would install Jaguar on it to fix the problem right now.
October 17th, 2005 at 00:42
The app launches just fine. Everything seems to be working great ( I can change around my sound preferences, hotkey, etc.) exept for the fact that I can’t establish a connection.
I opened up VPC, and I could connect with TS on that, so I’m pretty sure it has nothing to due with my internet connection/firewall/whatever.
October 17th, 2005 at 00:44
You might want to open Console.app (as stated in the post) and try connecting.
See if you get any exceptions or unusual messages
October 17th, 2005 at 00:47
Don’t mean to take a lot of space with this post, but here’s what it says:
October 17th, 2005 at 00:52
Hi I’m using Tiger and I’m totally fascinated. Works really great with 10.4.2
Just can say: Keep up the good work….
so we started a 7 people conversation and sound quality was excellent with low latency O.O!
Very nice
October 17th, 2005 at 00:53
Rion, I edited your post to the crucial stuff, but it was very helpful.
Seems i used another non compatible 10.4 function
Does anyone know if XCode or a tool supports something to check 10.3-10.4 compatible api’s ?
October 17th, 2005 at 01:00
Thank you! Works beautifully!
rushes off to donate
Now all I need is the ability to create channels (coming in 1.0 final or a later beta?) and I’ll be infinitely happy.
October 17th, 2005 at 01:03
Great work so far! Thanks a lot!
Bug I found while playing with it a little: If the Chat-Channel has a special character in it, it will show a chinese char on my german Tiger. Noticed this on the symbol ‘ (like in “name’s room”) and on german chars “öäü”.
October 17th, 2005 at 01:07
1 suggestion, and one question. First of all, I would suggest an option to do away with the hotkey. When I’m playing a game I want it to send everything I’m saying, I don’t always have the ability to hold down a key for that long. Perhaps an option to mute the recording by holding down a key.
Second, where do I go to find a good public (or private) teamspeak server. I’ve been googling for half an hour and haven’t found much. If anyone can send me in the right direction I’d be very grateful.
October 17th, 2005 at 01:13
Guys, how do I setup a private conversation? To what server must I connect to have a private conversation? Please at least can you point me in the right direction?
October 17th, 2005 at 01:14
TeamSpeak for Mac at last! Thank you so much! Just in time for me to run the end-game instances in World of Warcraft.
You Netherlandish never cease to amaze and please. !yay!
October 17th, 2005 at 01:14
When you install xCode, there is an optional package named “cross-development” or something like that, with sub-packages for every release of OS X. I guess it allows you to have multiple targets and check the compatibility with other versions of the OS
October 17th, 2005 at 01:16
I saw Teamspeex posted on versiontracker.com, but you should also post it on MacUpdate.com
(mac only site with a better layout than versiontracker)
October 17th, 2005 at 01:18
Dhruv Kalra, Some stuff that is top on my priority list are:
client functions: admin commands, creating channels, sending text messages, etc
play sound on events: like player joined, player left.
better looking inspector panel
bookmarks/favorites.
[your suggestion here if there is great demand for it]
so you can expect those in the next builds.
Bllaxx, oops my bad, I implemented the unicode support while testing with a Chinese TS server and came to the conclusion TS uses the GBK codepage as the character encoding :up:
Looks like the encoding type is stored somewhere in one of the challenge packets. Will have to run tests later.
Taavi, I got the following public servers from one my beta testers, its Speex enabled:
145.53.80.220:8767
145.53.80.220:8768
Also voice activation is on my todo list, but I have to do research on that first because audio programming is not one of the easiest things. but it’s something I definatly want to implement.
ddrix, argh more packages to install…means less free space
but I guess ill check it out, thanks!
Swordfish, i never posted it on versiontracker.com or anywhere, looks like somebody did it for me :blush:
October 17th, 2005 at 01:23
What about the other versions of macintosh like 3.9????? will there ever be one?
October 17th, 2005 at 01:31
:-D !yay! works fine, but some lill crashes
- thanks
October 17th, 2005 at 01:33
Works perfectley I’ve been using it while playing Call Of Duty for teh past hour without any flaws
Great job Savvy
October 17th, 2005 at 01:34
Savvy, I think you might have misinterpreted what I said, if not just ignore this reiteration.
My suggestion was to add an option to not require a key to be pressed to send voice data. I don’t want to have to worry about hitting the right key all of the time, and wondering if my teammate heard what I said. Also, I don’t always have time to hold down a key while I’m in the heat of a battle to explain something to my teammate.
I would like the option to designate a hotkey to temporarily mute (while held down only) the recording of my voice, if for example I was talking to someone else in the room. This would work well with just a modifier key. In addition it would be nice to have a hotkey (cmd-something) that you push once to mute recording and push again to unmute recording. Adding this last one to the Keyboard Shortcuts in system preferences would allow it to be available from any application, presumable even in full screen mode within a game.
Let me know what you think.
October 17th, 2005 at 01:35
P.S. Great job, I’ve been waiting for a TeamSpeak client for the mac for 2 years!
October 17th, 2005 at 01:38
To check compatibility with prior OSX versions, you want to consult the developer documentation, or you can use a cross-dev SDK.
Any class or method that is only available in 10.4 will say “Available in 10.4″ underneath the description in the documentation.
You will also need to implement Deprecated methods for backwards compatibility, as well as the newer methods.
To use Apple’s cross-development mechanism, install all the cross-development SDKs then go into Xcode->Help->Xcode Help and click on the Cross-development link in the left frame. Xcode will let you know about incompatibilities.
As an aside for ease of use of the software:
When you ask the user to specify the server IP and port, use two different textboxes… One for the IP, the other for the port. This makes things easier to understand for those that don’t understand web URLs…
When your program is requested to open a teamspeak server from another application, simply parse the ip:port string into the appropriate textboxes and simulate a hit of the ‘connect’ button, rather than making the user do it themselves.
October 17th, 2005 at 01:43
minor detail, the “customize toolbar” sheet does not include the “space”, “flexible space” and “customize” buttons, which are usually standard in all Mac OS X applications (right-click the toolbar to customize it, cuz there is no menu item).
October 17th, 2005 at 01:44
Also, as far as hot-keys are implemented, rather than having two seperate hotkeys, one for speak and one for mute, you want the following:
A radio button that selects between “speak on press” and “mute on press” with additional options for ‘toggle’ or ‘hold’ modes.
Also… What I would do is have an option that lets the user press the PTT button once and then the program records and sends until there is no more significant sound input from the user for 1 second.
You can couple this with voice activation as well. All you really have to do is monitor input levels… If the user keeps activating the mic accidentally, they can turn down the input volume.
Several console games have pulled off this ‘push once to talk’ feature quite well, as well as voice-activation and cutoff.
October 17th, 2005 at 01:48
i am running on 10.3x and it won’t connect to servers so i opened the consol to find some info hopfully this will hepl you fix the problem:|
===== Sun Oct 16 2005 ===== 16:43:57 America/Los_Angeles =====
2005-10-16 16:43:59.458 TeamSpeex[410] Port: 8798
October 17th, 2005 at 01:50
Wow, thanks for this long awaited program! I was here about 20 times a day to look if the client is ready for initial testing… I installed and it all works fine! Nice work… You have done something really good for all the macgamers out there!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 01:50
That is exactly what it saying for mine ^^^^^
October 17th, 2005 at 01:57
Using it for 3 days now on 10.3.9, works without problem and with intensive use it crashed one time when i hijacked iTunes to Soundflower and rooted it to TS
So it’s hardly sth important
Only thing is that passwords with special symbols don’t work, keep up the good work man!
October 17th, 2005 at 02:05
Once again (sorry):
I just visited the official Teamspeak Homepage and there is NOTHING (and i mean ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!!!) reguarding your wonderfull software. i just wanted to post the link but then i felt that it could be misunderstood by the TS-Developerteam. But you SHOULD definitivly post your software in their forums. There is a mac-thread that is large. and if i say large i mean LARGE!!!! well thats it for me…
October 17th, 2005 at 02:13
Hey just tried it and it connects perfectly. Though I can’t hear anyone and they cannot hear me. (And YES, I am pushing the correct PTT key!!) Is that just because of the built-in mic??? If so, I’ll pop-out and buy me a mic!!
October 17th, 2005 at 02:24
Having some trouble with it recognizing my microphone on my mac mini (it’s external and with a webcam). I keep getting a ‘unsupported codex’ error, and it also won’t let me hear anyone else.
OH! and a quick suggestion… Have it save info to the keychain, so we don’t have to type it all in everytime. thanks!
October 17th, 2005 at 02:31
If you get unsupported codec, that means the channel doesnt use the Speex codec and you will automatically get a red icon before your name. This will let others know that your sound is muted, muted because you cannot decode and encode with the required codec in this case.
Try the public servers Savvy posted a little while ago, they use the Speex codec by default.
I think alladin has the same problem. (check if your name has a red icon)
October 17th, 2005 at 02:45
Ico Thanks! I have this red disease!!
October 17th, 2005 at 02:46
Weird thing.. If my wife is on her mac and I am on mine connected, we cannot hear each other. If one of us switches to windows, we can communicate fine.
October 17th, 2005 at 03:07
Hey there. On behalf of the mac gaming community, thank you so so much.
I would offer you to mirror your downloads on my site at www.firsttokill.com . Please email me or contact me on the site if you are interested.
Thanks again!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 03:36
10.3.9 does not work
10.4.2 works (connected but was noone in room to test voice com)
October 17th, 2005 at 03:37
After getting this site from a friend, I was shocked to see TS for Mac. I downloaded it and copied it to a folder in my applications, and ran it. I’ve tried 2 servers so far, and both don’t work! Yet I have conformation that both exist. Any help would be hot, I’m running 10.3.9 here.
64.252.112.70:8767
204.38.206.7
-Mars
October 17th, 2005 at 03:46
running 10.3.9… can’t connect to servers
October 17th, 2005 at 03:58
Well this is what i have been waiting for for a long time indeed. Thanks so much for the dedication to make it. Im running 10.3.9, and like most other 10.3.9ers i can’t open a connection. Ive tried around four differant teamspeak(americas army) servers and none of them opened. Heres the console log, but its pretty much the same as everybodies.
October 17th, 2005 at 04:16
to add to my earlier comment, when 2 mac clients talk to each other, they cannot do not change to talk icons either. I know it’s beta, and I really appreciate your work.. Definitely donating.
October 17th, 2005 at 04:40
Work very nice on 10.4.2
Thanks to the coder, u own teamspeak’s team
nice work man !!!
October 17th, 2005 at 04:41
machoman Says:
October 17th, 2005 at 4:16 am
to add to my earlier comment, when 2 mac clients talk to each other, they cannot do not change to talk icons either. I know it’s beta, and I really appreciate your work.. Definitely donating.
true
October 17th, 2005 at 04:45
mkay, I got it to work on OSX 10.4.2 at the public server: 145.53.80.220:8768
what clients support TeamSpeex though?… I ask because I have a WoW guild with our own server for TS, but we need something universally supportive…
otherwise though, the bit I chatted with a guildmate… SUPURB!
Yall did a bang up job…
just a couple tweaks here and there and it’ll be rockin!
October 17th, 2005 at 05:17
Savvy,
Not trying to pester by any means, but are you planning to make it 10.3+ compatible, or just leave it as is. Awesome job though, sounds like the Tiger users are lovin it!
October 17th, 2005 at 05:39
Thank you thank you thank you.
So sick of having to have a pc around to join my guild on events.
You rule.
October 17th, 2005 at 06:24
Sweet! I just had this emailed to me. I have 10.3, but I know some of my friends have 10.4. I saw above where someone got this working on 10.3.9. Any tips?
Anyway, great job!!! This really backs my opinion of those TS noobs.
October 17th, 2005 at 06:36
Were can I set up a server, and how do you register a accont name?
October 17th, 2005 at 07:17
Someone emailed me a 10.3 version.. it works
October 17th, 2005 at 08:13
Im on 10.3.6 and I open the app and it starts to open, then immediately quits. It basically just flashes in the bottom bar. I hear there is a 1.3 version available, if so, where is it? I would love it, as trying to organize large scale things online through typing is a pain, mac gamers you all feel my pain.
October 17th, 2005 at 08:19
I’m french, so sorry for poor english
I Luv’ ya. Thnks for doing it. I don’t now if it works ( not tested at the moment) but you did a great work. Keep going ^^:-D
October 17th, 2005 at 09:25
it works perfect for me. thanx
October 17th, 2005 at 09:26
OK I got it to work. It works perfectly on Mac 10.4.2.
Do you intend to make this ventrillo compatible?
October 17th, 2005 at 09:41
Everything works fine so far, many thanks. but please, pleeeassse.. try to implement some kind of voice activation
so far: you are my hero!
October 17th, 2005 at 09:56
hi
It would be great to support the iSight as a sound input,
the main microphone of the iMac is to close of the phones
thanks
October 17th, 2005 at 10:01
[…] The first TeamSpeak Client for Mac OS X has been released“. It still a beta but after some first testing sessions it seemed really great to me. […]
October 17th, 2005 at 10:09
Just spent the last 6 hours playing CoD, and it’s worked flawlessly. Thank you. I want to have your babies!!
October 17th, 2005 at 10:49
Im runing 10.3.9 and as many other ppl here I couldnt connect to any TS server at first. But then I downloaded “TeamSpeex 1.0 Public Beta (no unicode support)” and it worked perfectly!
I love you man!!!!
October 17th, 2005 at 10:51
Taavi, your idea with the always send sound until keypressed or toggled otherwise sounds nice
David, thanks for your tips and suggestions, they were really helpful and will certainly make use of them
Xamdnarg, it should be possible to set the iSight as audio input device, just check the Preferences in TeamSpeex.
machoman, that is a weird problem you have there, I actually had one private beta tester have this same problem iirc, I will try to figure out the problem.
Unsupported Codec: if you get this error, it means the channel you are in doesnt use the Speex codec so you wont be able to send or hear anything.
10.3.x users, I have put up a “no unicode support” version on the downloads page, I have heard this version works on 10.3.9, I do not know if it wil work on 10.3.6 Zack but please try.
October 17th, 2005 at 11:10
What a amazing work ! It runs perfectly on 10.4.2. The interface is beautyfull and it’s a real pleasure to use it on Macintosh ^^
I have just a prioritary request : voice auto-activation ^^
Good luck (work) for the next
October 21st, 2005 at 13:17
yes grat work!!!
one prob: 2 mac clients on teh same server can not hear each other nor do i see the speek icon.
realy nice
what was wrong with your site the past day´s? realy a DoS attack?
October 21st, 2005 at 15:16
Hey! Welcome back, Savvy! I’m glad you got your site back.
October 21st, 2005 at 16:36
When I first heard about this I thought it would just be some buggy peice of !censored!
Turns out sliced bread has been replaced
One suggestions though:
Ability to Right-Click player names and mute/block them for those moments when some tard is pissin’ you off, or to turn off a servers radio.
And a tip for all you FPS’s, If you wana talk and play put the chat button on ‘T’ or ‘R’ so you can still press either ‘W,A,S or D’ with your other fingers and keep your hand on the mouse to look around.
October 21st, 2005 at 16:54
If you would like some serious free hosting/domain or help with programming please let me know. I’ve been waiting for TS on Mac for a long time and would like to see this development continue.
October 21st, 2005 at 16:57
I don’t really know what I’m doing. I’m using the USB headset that came with my IBM ViaVoice speech-recognition package (AK5370 is the recognized name of the headset) and OS 10.3.9 and the no-unicode version of TeamSpeex. So far, I can connect to the one server I’ve found, but it puts me in the “Welcome Wagon” room (?channel) all by myself and not in the main one where players are, but with a green light and a “U” after my name, but I hear nothing and when I use PTT no one hears me, or at least no one answers. Also, if I hold down PTT (I set it to Keypad *–I don’t know what Fn is), I get the system alert sound repeatedly (sosumi)–is the PTT key a toggled key? How do I learn what the red and green dots and other symbols mean, and the letters next to names (U, R, S, D, etc.), on the connected screen? Is there a tutuorial/info site somewhere? Thanks.
October 21st, 2005 at 17:27
I tried the OpenBeta with a TS server where the Speex codec was enabled and it worked great. I am just missing an option to send text messages and that Teamspeexs can use the microphone depending on the noise level instead of pushing a button.
I have noticed a small bug. When I connect to a server that hasn’t the speex codec enabled it says unsupported codec. If I disconnect and then immediately reconnect to the same server it doesn’t say that it’s an unsupported codec.
It would be great if the TeamSpeex had a check version functionality so that we would be alerted when a new version is available.
Excellent work so far.
//Rob
PS. I use Mac OS X 10.4.2 and an USB headset adapter.
October 21st, 2005 at 17:38
Just came to think of another bug or missing feature. Some TS servers have a teamspeak viewer which shows a list of available channels in a web browser. If I click on a channel name in a browser it sends the info to the Teamspeex application but instead of entering the IP address, channel name and nichname it places only the channelname with the nichname in the IP field. Would it be possible to make teamspeex fill in all the fields when connecting from a web browser?
//Rob
PS. The teamspeak viewer is an open source script for TS servers. Can be found here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tsdisplay/
October 21st, 2005 at 17:39
yeah cant connect to a server, i have 10.3.9:confused:
October 21st, 2005 at 18:36
HEY, it worked just fine on 10.3.9 with the no-unicode version. People there helped me tweak some settings. This is terrific!
October 21st, 2005 at 19:03
I got Tiger, and it works great, but I beg beg beg beg beg for a voice activiation. It takes so much coordination to play a game and hold whatever key at the same time. Voice activation, or even a toggle would be awesome. Also, half the players in my list are named (null) and I can’t see their real names, why is that? And anyone with alts in their names show up all screwed up. That’s all the stuff I’ve encountered.
October 21st, 2005 at 19:21
hey i am having some trouble connectiung to my server i cant connect for some reason is there any settings i hafve to put in on my mac plz get back to me quick my guilkd needs my help!!!!!!!!!1
October 21st, 2005 at 19:55
I get the same problem as Alladin. I’m in 10.3.9 and can join a server and everything, and I can talk with people hearing me. But I can’t hear them speak to me, when i talk I see the speech bubble appear by my name but can’t see their bubbles when they talk. Whats going wrong?
October 21st, 2005 at 20:04
Rob, TeamSpeex should alread handle teamspeak://127.0.0.1 urls, i only tested it a few times but it should work.
boolean, thanks
Alice, Dickie, this is a known bug, and has been fixed in a newer build but it is not public yet.
A temporary solution would be to set the channel codec to Speex 12.3Kbit.
Billsy, what OS X version do you use?
October 21st, 2005 at 20:40
Savvy it does indeed support the teamspeak://127.0.0.1 urls but it doesn’t support urls that also contain the channel and nichname setting.
Teamspeak://127.0.0.1:8080/nickname=test/channel=Raid 1
//Rob
October 21st, 2005 at 20:43
Ah I misread your post Rob, sorry, will fix this
October 21st, 2005 at 21:05
plz some one hewlp me i cant connect to my server for my guild i type in all my info but nothing comes up it just looks like t keeps serching i left it for 45 mins and still nohtong happened plz hrlp mr plz my guild REALLY NEDS ME!!!!!! if you can help me fix this problem you willl be my greates herO EVER!!!!! plz reply back as quick as you can
October 21st, 2005 at 23:42
!yay!
So happy to see this.
Just gave it a try. The aforementioned not-hearing-anyone bug is in full effect, as well as getting error messages about the wrong codec from time to time. I’m no computer genius, so I don’t know who’s end that’s on. Some channels within our TS server give me issues. Usually, when I go back to a “non-error” room as I’ll call them, it goes back to normal, I have the green light… However, go into a few “bad” rooms in a row, and I can’t seem to shake the red light. What’s up with that?
October 22nd, 2005 at 00:07
Sorry if this is a noob question.
I am running 10.3.X and can not open the file after download. I get this error
Quicktime cannot open this file “teamspeex1.0beta-no-unicode-su” it is not a file quicktime understans (-2048)
The other version opens and install ok, but of course it wont work with my version of OS X
Any ideas?
October 22nd, 2005 at 00:24
Jack: add .dmg to the downloaded files name.
//Rob
October 22nd, 2005 at 01:12
I’m not sure if you realize the huge favour you’ve done for the Mac gaming community. This is by far the best download of the year. We’re very grateful!
By the way, are you considering to open source the code or perhaps document the teamspeak protocols for others to use?
October 22nd, 2005 at 01:14
Rob’
Duh that was it. Its the simple ones that get you…thanks a lot
October 22nd, 2005 at 01:19
Jack: what browser did you use to download the file? If you used Internet Explorer then please switch to a different browser. IE is dead. Safari, Opera 8.5 or Firefox are all very excellent browsers. And free.
//Rob
October 22nd, 2005 at 01:39
Rob,
It was IE. I’ll take the advice and update to Safari.
One more question, I have it all running now. I can transmit, and others can hear me, but I cant hear them. I see their chat bubble open up. and I can even hear some type of low “noise”, but thats all. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Jack
October 22nd, 2005 at 02:04
Rob,
Never mind, it seems to be working now. I rebooted, and it seems good now….Thanks again for all the help.
Jack
October 22nd, 2005 at 02:08
@Savvy
Sorry, I was too fast
iSight is well supported !
Thank you !
October 22nd, 2005 at 08:10
is there any plans at all to make it panther compatible?
October 22nd, 2005 at 10:52
Me again, hi. I would love to use teamspeax, but i need a “mute” function. i use to play with my girlfirend, so i have to mute her, because otherwise i hear her voice twice (in reality and through teamspeakx with delay). is a mute function planed for near releases? i would love to get rid of my old celeron notebook (used for TS only). bye, and thanks again
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:15
Just wanted to let you know I’ve had the best fun all week chatting to my fellow clan members. Most days I rush home after work and cannot wait to get online!! I’ve tried both versions, for their respective OSes and I cannot complain.
My clan set-up a specific TS Mac channel on UO, cos their main channels are GSM codec supported, but one thing I did notice was that I couldn’t chat with other Mac users. Can someone explain that? Or did i miss it??
Anyhoo, thanks again Savvy, and it’s good to see you back up!!!yay!
October 22nd, 2005 at 11:25
SleePy: If Savvy gets a Panther partition up and running and do some real testing it will support Panther. The first beta was untested on Panther as he only have Tiger installed and only tested it with Tiger.
//Rob
October 22nd, 2005 at 17:14
Hiya Mac Users and kudos
to Savvy for
First I am a PC user
don’t shoot me. We are gamers also, currently playing WoW on Dethecus server known as the guild Rise of Honor. We have over 150 members some of which are Mac users. We are estastic our Mac friends can now join us on our teamspeak to do battle etc in WoW. !yay! There are many others that use our team speak to play other games ie EQ2 etc. Total registered users approx 400.
The only issue so far is the Codec settings on our Teamspeak server and which is the best one to use for both Teamspeak and TeamSpeex. If anyone knows please reply in this thread.
We will update you on any other issues.
October 22nd, 2005 at 17:24
Poppabear: like the name sez, use the Speex codec at whatever your bandwidth will allow. With a high number of users 12kbps should be good, but go higher if you can. I’ve tested it with success on a 20kbps server and it sounded great.
Peace to the PC world. I have a Windows box under my desk for games.
October 22nd, 2005 at 17:52
Great job so far Savvy!
Dunno if it was just a glitch but when we tried using it with two Mac users on the same channel, neither one of us could hear each other, but the Windows users in the channel were working fine.
October 22nd, 2005 at 19:10
it seems the panther version wont open…. i open the app and nothing happens….. any help would be apperciated
October 22nd, 2005 at 19:30
Tried it on 10.2.8 and it did not work.
Here is the output from Console.app:
dyld: /Users/cube/Desktop/TeamSpeex.app/Contents/MacOS/TeamSpeex can’t open library: /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2)
Oct 22 19:24:29 mac crashdump: Crash report written to: /Users/cube/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/TeamSpeex.crash.log
By the way, according to http://www.ellert.se/twain-sane/ Tiger comes with a cross-compilation SDK to compile software for older Mac OS X versions.
October 22nd, 2005 at 21:53
Just heard about your project today, and I think it’s a great initiative!
I’ve been waiting for an OSX compatible TS program for more then a year.
I really hope you can make it compatible with 10.3.9
You’re making a lot of mac gamers very happy!
October 23rd, 2005 at 01:14
Nicely done! One thing though, it would be much nicer if a keypress wasn’t required to talk.
October 23rd, 2005 at 04:53
I also have the same ‘opening’ problem. The icon flashes, appears in the dock and vanishes. Might this be a permissions issue?
October 23rd, 2005 at 04:55
Here’s the line from the error log;
dyld: /Users/CleanUser/Desktop/TeamSpeex.app/Contents/MacOS/TeamSpeex can’t open library: /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2)
October 23rd, 2005 at 05:55
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
October 23rd, 2005 at 07:03
My MOH “clan” has set up a server for TS to include me and the other few MacUsers. Per the administrator, chosen was Codec: Speex 25.9 KBit.
I don’t know if there are different KBit Speex’s, but this one is working well. Just some feedback.
October 23rd, 2005 at 07:45
!yay!!yay! THANKS, works for me GREAT. I’m on Tiger on a Dual 500 G4, on UNREAL team speak server talking and fragg’n my pals. Check out the response to the mystery of Team Speex existance over at the offical TeamSpeeak website. It’s like a UFO sighting or something…lol
:):):):):):):):):):)
October 23rd, 2005 at 12:55
I’ll be happy if u just have fixed the 10.3.9 problem with the endless connection time. Im every day on your Side
My Clan is looking forward, i always had to play with out it…
October 23rd, 2005 at 16:13
October 23rd, 2005 at 16:44
TEAM SPEEX. Its really not working right, And I wish someone would say something. Once you connect into for example the BR1.TS.IVAO.ORG server, your on with brazil for example, but in XPLANE, you tune For example FRANKFURT TOWER, and the TEAM SPEEX doesnt change to its server, so yuor screwed because you have to guess where EDDF is on! On what server to be able to talk with him. Thats ridiculous, not to mention the before problem of not hearing anyone unless they log in after you.
What it SHOULD do, is Change to the corresponding channel in which EDDF tower would be on, other wise, this is……….. I dont know, not working proporly.
(MAS OSX10.3.9)
October 23rd, 2005 at 16:45
Im experiencing some trouble. Teem Seeex works great, i have version
UNICODED for 10.3.9 on MAC. Now, This is the deal. I go into for
example the IVANBE1, (be1.ts.ivao.org)(OR ANY ONE THAT WORKS) server,
i connect, but wait, I log into SEGUCTR for example, a channel where
I have been told there are about 8 traffics. I tune into this
SEGUCTR and im the freq, but Im the only one in the cahnnel, I cant
hear nor see any one else but me, BUT, if someone loggs into this SEGU
do see them and ehar them. So, basically, Into the Ivao servers I log
into, I can not see the players already in the channel, nor hear them.
i can ONLY see the ones who are in UNICOM becasues its a default
channel. Please help me. This si the closest thing to my dreams for
amc ever, so please!!! thanks
Stefano (Any answer pleaseee)
October 23rd, 2005 at 16:48
It works now, sorry i didnt download the unicode disabled panther version before.
THANKS a ton, ive been waiting for this for a long time, as has everyone
October 23rd, 2005 at 17:08
EAZEYO, quick questin, are you experiencing the troubles I am, the ones mentiones a post above?
October 23rd, 2005 at 18:21
Downloaded both copies, both the unicode and non-unicode versions. The unicode version installed fine, but when i tried connecting to a server, it didn’t want to connect. Almost like it hung. Maybe there are different features in Tiger that are different that Panther. Then i tried the non-unicode version, installed just the same and this time is logged into the server that i was trying to connect to in the first place. Due to myself running this on a B&W G3, i had no mic support, but the members of the server was really astonished that a Macintosh could connect to a PC only world.
October 23rd, 2005 at 19:28
Works great with teamspeak users. I have a mac that uses 10.3.9 My only problem is. I cannot hear other mac users. Or see them actually trying to talk. I know they are because everyone else is talking to them and say hes talking back. So any ideas?
October 23rd, 2005 at 19:36
REad my last post WRYNN/. Theres the biggest problem. You can LOG in and not se enor hear anybody, but you can hear any body who logs in after you! #@)(^V 79)6wq6872
October 23rd, 2005 at 19:42
The are 2 main bugs, which is with servers with the “Public Server” type.
And a Mac 2 Mac issue.
Read http://www.savvy.nl/blog/bugs-n-features/ to see the temporary solutions. (if you have admin access to the TS server)
These issues have been already fixed, i will try to put a newer build online later this week.
October 23rd, 2005 at 20:13
Administrator wrote: “These issues have been already fixed, i will try to put a newer build online later this week.”
Thanks.
The r255 v. release was private, so will this update also be private or will it be released to the general public as were the no-unicode and 10.4 versions, and will there still be different versions for 10.4 and lower than 10.4?
October 23rd, 2005 at 20:22
The update will be public, the new build will probably not yet support full unicode yet until I figure out some compatiblity issues between Tiger and Panther.
Also Jaguar requires that I compile with GCC3.3 instead of GCC4.0, so I think there will be 2 seperate builds, one for Tiger+Panther, and one for Jaguar.
I’m having problems compiling with GCC3.3 tho, so I cannot tell if there will be immediate support for it. I’m thinking of buying a Mac Mini so I can install Jaguar or Panther on it to make debugging and compiling easier.
October 23rd, 2005 at 21:49
Hi, everyone.
I, too, am very excited for this app. Thanks so much for developing this. : ) I run 10.3.9, atm, and I think it runs ok, but I have an issue I’m hoping one of you more knowledgeable folks can help me understand. The people I play online with use “vent” and their server has a port # besides the server address. Is this port setting specific to “vent” and I won’t be able to connect or am I missing something that I can do to get around this? Thanks in advance to anyone that can set me straight on this.
Regards.
October 23rd, 2005 at 23:00
WOW! Thank you thank you thank you for giving us TS! It was pure delight to fire it up and finally hear people talking, with me not being out of the loop!
I’m using it with my iSight and it works mostly flawlessly. Given the fact it’s beta I’m not even about to nit-pick anything about it. The only thing I found confusing is what the hell is the “Fn” key? Had to change that…..
Thanks again, and keep up the great work!
October 24th, 2005 at 00:46
were may i pick up this unicode disabled for panther?
some of you guys said you were able to connect buy using this?
what do i need installed and were…
Thanks again…
October 24th, 2005 at 01:14
One other thing, is there a way for the mac teamspeak to have it where you can write to the channel? I can read what others are typing without a mic, but there is no way i can type back. Anyway of making this work?
October 24th, 2005 at 01:28
I would like to mirror your file download, please contact me : jmdesrosiers@gmail.com
October 24th, 2005 at 04:48
Savvy, you are a true mac gamer hero. I just ran a few instances with my WoW guild, and everything worked great - no crashes, no lag, no nothing. I already went on donating some money to the mac mini fund - you deserve it
I hope you’ll update with an alternative to “push to talk” soon - it’s the only thing that currently bugs me a bit, because I always press the button half a second too late, which results in me having to say most things twice.. :up:
Well, thanks again, and thanks from my guildmates - after over a year, they finally got to find out what I sound like
October 24th, 2005 at 05:39
never mind i found it. but…
i noticed some things
October 24th, 2005 at 11:09
Great Work!
The program works fine under 10.4. I hope you will find time to code the speak aktivation.
Right now i use a work around. I use the shift-key as the push to talk button and aktivate the caps-lock key. Then i need not push a key when i want to speak and i need not to switch the window while playing a game.
October 24th, 2005 at 12:13
thanks a lot for working to a TS client for mac .
I’m on 10.3.5 and I could not launch Teamspeex
Anyone may help me please
!question!
October 24th, 2005 at 13:58
shakn: Try updating your Mac OS to 10.3.9 and download the no-unicode version.
//Rob
October 24th, 2005 at 14:10
Hey i realy like what your doing for all of us Mac users.
but i really hope that a jaguar build will be made.
i run 10.2.8 on a g4 with dual 1.25ghz with 1gb RAM.
i really cannot upgrade my os because of problems with the app’s
i use for work at home. so any help would b very good. ta
October 24th, 2005 at 14:26
Yeah! I really love it!
Thanks for devoloping this App!
October 24th, 2005 at 16:42
I’m experiencing a bug that I am unable to hear anyone that was in the room before I logged in.
However, if they leave the room and re-enter, I can then hear them.
I figured this out because a couple people got bumped off TeamSpeak and I was then able to hear them when they signed back in…
Besides that it works great… I suppose I can just ask everyone to sign out and then sign back in, but I’m sure this will be taken care of in an update…
October 24th, 2005 at 19:31
HELLO,
Is there a voice activation feature om the teamspeex right now? or is it comming?
Thx for a great job and product!
October 24th, 2005 at 19:53
Hi !
This is really wot i was waitin for… But - please include a “Voice Activation Level” or simply turn the mic always on - i hate pressing da “Push to Talk - Key” … Please !!!!!!!!
By the Way its really lovely !!!!
October 24th, 2005 at 22:11
Xident, seems a user has found a nice trick about always sending voice:
Set your PTT button to CAPSLOCK, then just hit capslock and it will keep sending voice until you toggle capslock again.
!tada
October 25th, 2005 at 00:59
Works peachy on my 10.4.2 Mac! Only thing that’s frustrating is I’m too used to voice activated and the push-to-talk is tough for me, but I understand it’s still an early beta, so keep up the great work!!!!
October 25th, 2005 at 02:45
doesnt work on 10.2.8
help would be very nice thnx!
October 25th, 2005 at 05:35
Maybe I’m the only one having the problem, but I can only hear PC users when they talk, anyone else who is using teamspeex is muted to me. If there’s anyway to solve this problem I’d appreciate it. (Great work otherwise though!)
October 25th, 2005 at 11:02
Big thanks to you.
The program (unicode) works fine on mac mini und ibook under 10.3.9.
No problems or crashes with the beta.
October 25th, 2005 at 14:35
Running 10.3.5 I get the same error as Zack, updating to 10.3.9 to hopefull fix the problem. Console.app shows
dyld: /Games/TeamSpeex.app/Contents/MacOS/TeamSpeex can’t open library: /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2)
October 25th, 2005 at 17:44
Thx Admin
… by the way - its awesome - thx thx thx thx … and it runs on my Tiger absolutly crash free - but a “Always talk” button would be nice… wouldn’t it ??? Anyway its great and i really missed this ! ty ty ty ty !
October 25th, 2005 at 18:03
The idea of letting the app continuously run sound input is NOT preferred. When just idling, or in an intense match, the sound of an open-end mic is annoying. I’d greatly appreciate if instead of that you worked on voice activation(I’m not at ALL associated with programming, but I would guess you can look at the system prefs and under speech, one of the tests is to recognize certain patterns of sound, you could use a similar code to recognize any sound and adjust the sound input level to activate a hotkey…hope that made sense) I’m sure allowing the prog to continuously send input sound is MUCH easier than the latter, but it shouldn’t be in the final version as the only choice IMO. In the meantime, thank you so much for this program, TS2 keeps pushing their TS3 release date further and further back. This is a great substitute. !tada
October 25th, 2005 at 20:05
Question - how does one set up a plantronics mic/headphone on a dual 2.5 G5 to get game sounds, TS transmisisons, and Mic to work. External speakers for game audio is not an option. I played with the audio settings preferences and have been able to get game audio (WW2OL) and TS from other players through headset - but when I click on the hotbutton I get a clicking sound and it does not appear that the mic is working.
Plantronics headset has USB connection. Any thoughts.
October 26th, 2005 at 00:20
For your Mac Mini developement station there is some money on the way from me, even though I use 10.4.2. Again, great work, so I donated and I hope lots of others do so, too, to keep you motivated to include the desperately wanted voice activation
!
October 26th, 2005 at 01:56
cool it works….Ive been waiting for years….thanks alot.
I will most definately be donating to you….
All of you that cant get it to work on 10.3.9….I did.
It finally worked when i downloaded it using Safari
and not internet explorer.
October 26th, 2005 at 10:14
Pia: After you plugged in the headset and mic in your Mac go to the System Sound Prefences. Click on the the Outline tab and select the USB headset from the list. Do the same on the Input tap. Make sure the microphone is working by tapping on it or speaking and watch the input level if it moves.
If it does then just quit system preferences and open TeemSpeex application. Go to the preferences and in the Audio tap select the USB headset for both Input and Output sound. Close the prefences and connect to a TS server and you should be done.
Tiger remembers the settings so you should only need to do this once.
//Rob
October 26th, 2005 at 13:35
I’m on 10.4.2, installed it and it works fine except for one thing. I can connect, I can hear every one else, but I can’t get the talk button to work.
I don’t have Fn on my keyboard, so I changed the key to a different one, but when I press it, all I get is the Mac warning sound. I’ve tried various keys, but none work.
Any suggestions?
By the way, bravo for doing this.
October 26th, 2005 at 18:57
Same problem, here, Sylvie, but it’s not really a problem.
You’re probably doing it with TeamSpeex as your only open application, right? So in essence, you’re sending a keystroke to the desktop, and the desktop doesn’t know what to do with it, so you get the System Warning sound– but Teamspeex is still working for you at this same time–if you will connect to some server and then try the key, you’ll see the chat bubble come up on your name to show you it’s working, even though you’re getting the alert sound repeatedly as long as you hold down your PTT key. But from within another application, say, a game, that keystroke (if not assigned to any other action within the game itself) won’t matter, and you won’t get the system warning sound, and TeamSpeex will work.
What I did was to assign my keystroke to something that the desktop doesn’t do anything with immediately (command, option, shift, control, etc.) and that worked. After playing around with things, so as to make it fit with the particular game I mainly use TeamSpeex for (MOH) and to be able to be set as a button on my wireless 5-button mouse, I ended up with Shift as my PTT key and had to set my mouse button assignment for the specific game and for Global settings to Shift-Clear. That combo is working well for me. I hope this does it for you, too.
This is a marvelous little thing, but now I want TeamSpeak Overlay for the Mac, too!!!
October 26th, 2005 at 22:00
Hi everyone,
!
I’m hosting a TeamSpeak Server with the Speex codec for mac gamers.
The IP is: macgamenet.com
Port is: 8767
The direct link: teamspeak://macgamenet.com:8767/
Have a lot of fun
Feedback or requests are welcome as a post in our Guest Forum: http://battleteksquad.com/forum/posting.php?mode=newtopic&f=4
bye,
Lucas
October 27th, 2005 at 03:29
First of all, I’d like to say a big warm thanks to you guys for this great program.
:D
I’m on 10.3.9 and downloaded the no-unicode-support TS - connects fine.
Now on some servers that I connect to, I get an error message regarding no codec support, I have no idea what this codec might be but if you need any information, let me know.
I’ll check back.
Thanks again.
October 27th, 2005 at 15:23
:-D
Love this, now I can play EQ2 on the pc and when it crashes like pcs do , then i can still be chatting while the pc comes back. But if you could do something with an option for the press t talk that would be awesome, like teamspeak does. LOL kinda hard for me to push a key on my Mac when im a pc playing a game, lol Keep up the good work man
October 27th, 2005 at 22:24
As a long-time gamer, an admin for a large gaming community with our own Teamspeak server, who several months back switched from PC to Mac, I have to say, I am delighted to discover your software! For a while I was running Teamspeak on VirtualPC, and that was a headache. I am pretty sore towards the Teamspeak developers for being so slow to release a Mac client. I love to see someone else step in and do something about it, so thanks! I would like to chime in and vote for new features: more admin functions and voice activation (”push to talk” while gaming just isn’t very practical!).
October 27th, 2005 at 23:12
Great app, thanks for making this! One thing people have mentioned an I have encountered is the system beep that happens if you map the PTT key to pretty much anything besides Control, Option, Command, or Shift. You should probably be coding this so that the PTT key is intercepted by teamspeex and not passed on through to the app that is in front. My company makes a utility called QuicKeys which uses both hot key and direct HID device triggers so we have experience with these things. The lead programmer of QuicKeys said he’d answer any questions you have if you are interested. Email me and I’ll put you guys in touch if you like.
October 27th, 2005 at 23:58
Myself and a few other gus are having problems chatting with each other on a server. We can all join the same server and are even in the same room.. but we can not hear each other. We are all on Macs in 10.4 or later. I CAN hear PC guys and even talk to them. What is the missing link? I saw something posted about “A temporary solution would be to set the channel codec to Speex 12.3Kbit.”, which frankly I have no idea is or even where to check or change it. Can someone hook a brother up and provide some needed assistance? We’re sooo close.. but still so far. :confused:
October 28th, 2005 at 15:12
By the looks of it, Teamspeak is actually interested in this application.
http://goteamspeak.com/news.php
October 28th, 2005 at 15:31
God bless your hands! Thank you!
October 28th, 2005 at 16:30
Works like a charm while gaming on WW2OL. Purchased a Plantronics GamePro mic/headphone combo. I am getting the game audio, TS audio, and can use the mic all in one headset.
Excellent work. BTW, I have to leave WW2OL each time I want to see who on my squad is on TS (no real problem) but it would be nice to see the list in game some how.
Regardless - I have used the 1.0 beta now for 3 nights in a row - 3 hours plus each night with no issues at all. Very stable, very cool, and a big S!.
October 29th, 2005 at 11:35
Ok, i just got this and am almost pleased except for one thing: I am running Tiger and whenever i log on, i cannot hear anyone that has signed on before me but only people that sign on after. This is really annoying as it will quit sporadically and then i have to ask everyone to leave and rejoin. is there a way to fix this?
October 29th, 2005 at 17:03
all i really have to say is what a total ripoff of the original TeamSpeak for pc users.
October 30th, 2005 at 15:28
This is very good news for Mac gamers.
I, too, wish it would simply send everything. I have a mute button on the microphone on my headset, if I need to take a phone call or something.
I look forward to updates, and it’s working just GREAT on my G5 running 10.4.2. Thanks very much for writing it.
October 31st, 2005 at 00:02
Works perfect. Thank you so much!
October 31st, 2005 at 08:46
were is the PTT button?
October 31st, 2005 at 19:17
To Defiant -
I believe that the TeamSpeak programmers are more than aware of TeamSpeex and at this point are endorsing the Mac clinet by linking to this web site from their web site.
The Mac client provided here takes the pressure off of the TS programmers to deliver a client and in a way enhances the the value of TS overall. Not sure what the issue is other than helping the gaming community - PC and Mac.
November 1st, 2005 at 01:08
i dont think it takes the pressure off. just gives them to know build off something and know how the code is done using the mac programing language.
I think this will speed up the release of TS3 and most likely become the TS3 for mac.
also from reading that these to people are getting along guessing they are helping the development of this program in some way.
November 1st, 2005 at 02:28
A bug-alert retold
(better shown here)
First things first: Thank you!
But a bug reared it’s ugly head, at least when i tried to connect with fellow german players: When entering a server which uses a password with certain german special letters like ö, ä ü, the client crashes at once. Not using ö and ä just gives you a disconnect because the password was wrong, but no crash, which i verified a few times, so it has to be the non-english letter.
November 1st, 2005 at 03:27
Now I can really enjoy WOW on my Mac. You rock.
November 1st, 2005 at 04:37
Suggestion: Growl integration.
Use Growl notifications to show the current speaker.
November 2nd, 2005 at 11:43
so i am happy to know that TS mac work on public server
=> http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/3215/image22gc.png
but on my team server (unreal) it doesn’t work…
when i connect for the first time i see that => http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/751/image12hy.png
and when i disconnect and reconnect on the same server i see that => http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6248/image39on.png
unsupported codec and mute sound dissapear
is it a server problem or i am a noob ??
please help me ….you can send e mail for details..
ps : sorry for my english i am french…
November 2nd, 2005 at 14:13
i cant thank you eough. ive been playing in mohaa public and private servers for years, feeling left out. so thank you, thank you, thank you. ive waited this loong for a working app so i can wait a bit more for all your improvements. im sure a million mac gamers around the world would say the same thing and now they can, on teamspeex. thanks to you.
November 2nd, 2005 at 20:15
i got 10.3.9 and cant connect to anything so if you could do something about it then i will download it again
November 3rd, 2005 at 17:48
Thankyou worked first time on 10.3.9.
I play world of warcraft on my mac and have been praying for this to come out. your my hero
November 3rd, 2005 at 18:19
I install TS in my powermac G5 and all ok, but i cant hear other users, and they can hear me.
My USB headset is a new logitech and fuction perfectly with Skype…
Any solution?
THX….
November 6th, 2005 at 05:01
Firstly thanks so much for this - all your work is much appreciated!
I am having a problem which I haven’t seen mentioned before. When I initially tried the app it worked absolutely fine in my WoW game. Subsequently I upgraded to Tiger and then found that whiel it still worked it slowed WoW down to an unplayable crawl. I d/l and reinstalled the 10.4 TS client but the problem persists. Any ideas?
thanks
November 7th, 2005 at 18:52
Running on a iMac G5 2.0 - MacOSX 10.4.3.
Sometimes i get disconnected from the server (connection timed out) and trying to reconnect I’m rejected since the app tells me i’m already in…. after a while I retry and I’m able to login.
I can exclude a network problem since on the same network I have a pc connected to the same server and there are no problems at all…
Thanks and good work!
November 7th, 2005 at 21:23
euh je suis sur un serveur privé et ça fonctionne bien avec les PCeux.
mais un autre collègue essaye de se connecter avec son portable mac, et on est les seuls à ne pas s’entendre. c’est à dire que les PC l’entendent et lui les entends, mais moi e ne l’entends pas et il ne m’entends pas.
son icône de “speech” ne cligote jamais.
quel serait le problème?
November 8th, 2005 at 02:06
Seems like a great piece of software, however I am experiencing a problem similar to st2doudou above. When I connect, it says unsupported codec and I am muted. When I reconnect, I am not muted, but it appears that noone is on the server.
Thanks for your help!
November 8th, 2005 at 19:00
i’ve got teamspeex installed etc but when i click for preferences nothing comes up?
November 8th, 2005 at 19:07
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